Class of 2016 Employment Statistics by School Forum

[Rigo]

UIUC is up.
36.7% in big law and federal clerkship. Got to be an all time high for them
https://law.illinois.edu/wp-content/upl ... duates.pdf

Dang. That's T20 numbers.

Have these numbers been independently verified?

[trebekismyhero]

UIUC is up.

36.7% in big law and federal clerkship. Got to be an all time high for them
https://law.illinois.edu/wp-content/upl ... duates.pdf

Dang. That's T20 numbers.

Have these numbers been independently verified?

UIUC only cheats on admissions numbers, not job numbers haha. And actually I think as part of ABA sanctions all their numbers do have to be independently verified

[registering]

I feel like GULC would be a real solid option if they cut their class to <400.

GULC would collapse if they didn't maintain their gargantuan class size due to their lackluster endowment. It's going to be T13 for the foreseeable future.

I feel like it can shed like 30-60 students though. GULC pretty much peaks around 290-320 students landing BL+FC (299, 303, 299 for the past 3 years) to a record low of around ~230 during the recession. Most of the changes to its BL+FC rate come hand in hand with class size, not raw gains in numbers, which pretty much plateaued in 2013. Last year's 4% drop was because the class size went from 626 in 2014 to 678 in 2015, for instance (you can probably estimate its placement this year using class size). If it had controlled its class to be under 600 and preferably closer to 550, it'd be at 50% and place around as well as Michigan or Boalt in a bad year.

[foregetaboutdre]

ND 37.79 (2016)

Decrease from last years (2015) 40.7

http://law.nd.edu/careers/employment-data/

Back up to T20, job numbers fall (slightly). Bigger class sizes coming up....it'll be interesting.

[Dr. Nefario]

UIUC is up.

36.7% in big law and federal clerkship. Got to be an all time high for them
https://law.illinois.edu/wp-content/upl ... duates.pdf

Dang. That's T20 numbers.

Have these numbers been independently verified?

UIUC only cheats on admissions numbers, not job numbers haha. And actually I think as part of ABA sanctions all their numbers do have to be independently verified

UIUC topping BU, that one is gonna sting.

[Tiago Splitter]

I feel like it can shed like 30-60 students though.

It most certainly can. But that would require things like smart planning and sacrifice among the overpaid faculty and administration. A bridge too far I'm afraid.

[BigZuck]

I imagine "GULC" is the sound that a formerly top law school would make while in its death throes.

[curry1]

I feel like it can shed like 30-60 students though.

It most certainly can. But that would require things like smart planning and sacrifice among the overpaid faculty and administration. A bridge too far I'm afraid.

nope, boomer professors deserve to make 500k per year - didn't you know that they could take their talents to firms and make 7 figures? Law schools also definitely need a million clinics and administrators in obscure areas of the law which virtually no law student will ever work in.

[BigZuck]

Yo somebody tag me in when UT drops. I've got my Nebby-esque excuses locked and loaded.

[cheaptilts]

Emory:

284 graduates
11 federal clerks = 3.8%
75 in biglaw = 26.4%

30.2% BL+FC [no change]

[foregetaboutdre]

I feel like it can shed like 30-60 students though.

It most certainly can. But that would require things like smart planning and sacrifice among the overpaid faculty and administration. A bridge too far I'm afraid.

nope, boomer professors deserve to make 500k per year - didn't you know that they could take their talents to firms and make 7 figures? Law schools also definitely need a million clinics and administrators in obscure areas of the law which virtually no law student will ever work in.

Great prisoners dilemma with GULC, GW, and American. You'd think GULC could secure itself as a T14 by basically not taking all the American + GW transfers it gets, and GW could move back close to a T20, and American to a T1 or whatever if the schools tried to keep their students from not transferring to another.

But the transfers bring in $$$ to the faculty.

[cheaptilts]

Howard:

136 graduates
2 fed clerks
26 in biglaw

20.5% in BL + FC [+ 3.3 gain in percentage points]

[Stylnator]

What day will information from all schools be available?

[registering]

I feel like it can shed like 30-60 students though.

It most certainly can. But that would require things like smart planning and sacrifice among the overpaid faculty and administration. A bridge too far I'm afraid.

nope, boomer professors deserve to make 500k per year - didn't you know that they could take their talents to firms and make 7 figures? Law schools also definitely need a million clinics and administrators in obscure areas of the law which virtually no law student will ever work in.

Great prisoners dilemma with GULC, GW, and American. You'd think GULC could secure itself as a T14 by basically not taking all the American + GW transfers it gets, and GW could move back close to a T20, and American to a T1 or whatever if the schools tried to keep their students from not transferring to another.

But the transfers bring in $$$ to the faculty.

It's just odd because a lot of the lower T14 cut class sizes slightly during the recession but GULC kept at it with the giant classes, I think hitting 700 in one year which is just ridiculous. I'm sure these schools all make money off their law schools but GULC is in a different league altogether.

If it really is that the school peaks at 300ish students into desirable outcomes, I think they can take giant transfer classes if they're smart about where they pick them from. If it looks like TTTT transfers consistently underperform, target T1 transfers more. Reduce incoming 1L matriculants instead. Just shaving 7 kids per section (and their sections are ~100 people) would get you 35 fewer students.

[LawMan16]

What day will information from all schools be available?

The ABA typically releases an aggregated report at the end of April or early May, so should be prior to that.

[cheaptilts]

Boston College:
227 grads
3 federal clerks
87 biglaw

39.6% FC+BL [down two-ish percent]

[favabeansoup]

Yo somebody tag me in when UT drops. I've got my Nebby-esque excuses locked and loaded.

If bad, #1) low oil prices mean lower incoming classes and it disproportionately affects UT students compared to other schools #2) large number of transfer kids distort numbers #3) idgaf b/c I still live a better life than NYC ppl

If good, UT 8===D~~~ GULC

[Nebby]

Yo somebody tag me in when UT drops. I've got my Nebby-esque excuses locked and loaded.

I'll wreck you

[Dodocogon]

UIUC is up.

36.7% in big law and federal clerkship. Got to be an all time high for them
https://law.illinois.edu/wp-content/upl ... duates.pdf

Dang. That's T20 numbers.

Have these numbers been independently verified?

UIUC only cheats on admissions numbers, not job numbers haha. And actually I think as part of ABA sanctions all their numbers do have to be independently verified

UIUC topping BU, that one is gonna sting.

Do we have BU #'s yet?

[tuesdayninja]

UIUC is up.

36.7% in big law and federal clerkship. Got to be an all time high for them
https://law.illinois.edu/wp-content/upl ... duates.pdf

Dang. That's T20 numbers.

Have these numbers been independently verified?

UIUC only cheats on admissions numbers, not job numbers haha. And actually I think as part of ABA sanctions all their numbers do have to be independently verified

UIUC topping BU, that one is gonna sting.

Do we have BU #'s yet?

Not officially, but current BU students can access it according to Nefario. It's apparently 36%?

[Dr. Nefario]

UIUC is up.

36.7% in big law and federal clerkship. Got to be an all time high for them
https://law.illinois.edu/wp-content/upl ... duates.pdf

Dang. That's T20 numbers.

Have these numbers been independently verified?

UIUC only cheats on admissions numbers, not job numbers haha. And actually I think as part of ABA sanctions all their numbers do have to be independently verified

UIUC topping BU, that one is gonna sting.

Do we have BU #'s yet?

only unofficial #'s I found by messing with the URL to last year's data. But if that is any indication then its 36.1%

ETA: scooped

[Dodocogon]

UIUC is up.

36.7% in big law and federal clerkship. Got to be an all time high for them
https://law.illinois.edu/wp-content/upl ... duates.pdf

Dang. That's T20 numbers.

Have these numbers been independently verified?

UIUC only cheats on admissions numbers, not job numbers haha. And actually I think as part of ABA sanctions all their numbers do have to be independently verified

UIUC topping BU, that one is gonna sting.

Do we have BU #'s yet?

only unofficial #'s I found by messing with the URL to last year's data. But if that is any indication then its 36.1%

ETA: scooped

Sounds good. I was gonna ask bc messing with the URL takes me to a login page; thought students could probably get it. Good to know.

[favabeansoup]

Vandy is up. Amazing numbers (bye GULC)

https://law.vanderbilt.edu/2016-EmploymentSummary.pdf

85 grads in 100+ firms
18 in Fed Clerks
182 total Graduates

56.59% Biglaw/Fed Clerk rate. [2015 was 47.02%, so +9.57% this year]

WOW. Best numbers from a non traditional T14 school in the past 8-9 years?

[Rigo]

is that going to beat Berkekey even?

[tuesdayninja]

Vandy is up. Amazing numbers (bye GULC)

https://law.vanderbilt.edu/2016-EmploymentSummary.pdf

85 grads in 100+ firms
18 in Fed Clerks
182 total Graduates

56.59% Biglaw/Fed Clerk rate. [2015 was 47.02%, so +9.57% this year]

WOW. Best numbers from a non traditional T14 school in the past 8-9 years?

Bah gawd Vandy